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It's funny how when I'm writing the first draft, I feel like I've hit another milestone each time I add another thousand words to my total, and now that I am in editing, I celebrate each time I reach another thousand words cut. I'm now down to 269,000 words with AQATSA, which means I've cut about 7,000 words from the early first draft. And this isn't by making major revisions; the snippet I posted a few weeks ago is the largest single block of text I have deleted. Mostly it's just been a phrase here, an unnecessary paragraph there, and word-level editing to tighten up sentences.

So, the second draft of chapters 1-13 is 7,000 words lighter than the first, which suggests, if the pattern continues, that I should be able to cut another 15,000 words easily. Which would make the final draft ~254,000 words. Let's see if that prediction is at all accurate. This assumes of course that no major hacking occurs. So far the most major structural revision I have made is moving a couple of scenes to an earlier chapter.

My betas are both rereading the entire series, which is a good thing since I haven't done that in too long, and will definitely be doing so before I begin book five. I seem to recall that Rowling once admitted that she had not reread her own books before writing the later ones, which has been the cause of many accusations of plot holes and inconsistencies on her part.

I did so do the research, I just ignored anything I didn't like



If I screw up, I will at least come up with a No Prize explanation, dammit.

Speaking of these, I've been somewhat amused to see the growth of tropes assigned to Hogwarts Houses Divided at its TVTropes page. Particularly the Did Not Do the Research section that suddenly popped up.

Well, I'll admit I didn't double check what color the dots on the Marauder's Map are, and I might have misremembered a glass ceiling in the Slytherin Common Room. (It definitely gets light from the lake, which implies windows; and who's to say they didn't redesign the dungeons?) I think all the other "errors" are actually inferences about which canon is silent, or at best, is ambiguous since it's based on Rowling's interviews (which I treated as canon in HHD only when it suited me). I don't know of any canonical statements that it's impossible for ghosts to move on or for someone to get special dispensation to start Hogwarts early; it just never happens in the books. The stuff about the envenomed Sword of Gryffindor and confiscating wands? Sure, that's one possible interpretation. Mine just happened to be different.

While Alexandra Quick has inspired far more disgruntled nerdrage just for existing than HHD, I think the only arguments I've ever heard concerning AQ outright contradicting canon is some readers who've questioned my use of the Fidelius Charm, and also Ms. Grimm's transformation of Alexandra and Larry into rats in book one. I think the latter is another area where canon is ambiguous: we don't know it's impossible for someone to retain their human thoughts when transformed into an animal (if Animorphmagi remain themselves while transformed, then clearly magic does allow the possibility of a human mind in an animal body). As for the former... well, I took some liberties. Hey, I'll bet Dumbledore or Voldemort could "tweak" the Fidelius Charm to work a little bit differently, so why not Abraham Thorn?

So there. I hereby grant myself a No Prize.

No Prize

re:

Date: 2011-09-03 04:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well put. I do like the idea of the "no-prize" award, just laughed at the simple-ness of it all. Glad the editing process is going well, and hopefully we'll get a ANOTHER GREAT story to read and have our imaginations go wild while reading it.

--wodcdre

Date: 2011-09-03 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avsno26rocks.livejournal.com
And yet another public example of people thinking you're female. It does so make me lol.

But, in all fairness, I tend not to put store in the Potterverse knowledge of someone doesn't correctly capitalise/punctuate 'Muggle-born'. I read through the DNDRs, and there are very few of them that actually have canon fact to the contrary, so your suppositions aren't wrong, exactly.

And yes to re-reading stories for continuity. I was trolling my author page earlier today and came across a half-dozen stories that I wrote and couldn't remember what they were about from the title. I can only imagine the details to be forgotten in a continuous series.

Date: 2011-09-03 05:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I remember commenting at some point that I was intrigued by the idea that a piece of information could be hidden away by the fidelius. I know that the Harry Potter Wiki doesn't say that it has to be a place or location hidden by the fidelius:

The Fidelius Charm is a complex and powerful Charm that takes a specific piece of information (the secret) and implants it into a being's soul. The one whose soul houses the secret is known as the Secret-Keeper. (HP Wiki).

Regardless, there's no reason that a no-prize should be given for THAT one, since canonically there's nothing inconsistent about it. As for people who just rage against an American Magical World--screw them. I mean, really, what the hell? Why the rage, people? jeez.

~DarkSov

Date: 2011-09-03 01:09 pm (UTC)
ext_402500: (Alexandra@13)
From: [identity profile] inverarity.livejournal.com
Actually, the people who hate AQ usually hate it for the girl-cooties more than for the American setting. Though American setting and OCs are an automatic turn-off for a lot of people.

Date: 2011-09-03 06:26 am (UTC)
swissmarg: Mrs Hudson (Default)
From: [personal profile] swissmarg
I just re-read the end of AQATTC with the part about the Fidelius Charm, and I don't see how it is different from what is in canon. This may be an important plot point for later as well, so can you explain what others have said about it?

The Fidelius Charm

Date: 2011-09-03 01:08 pm (UTC)
ext_402500: (Alexandra)
From: [identity profile] inverarity.livejournal.com
Generally, the arguments have been (a) the Fidelius Charm can't protect something intangible like "the identities of the Thorn Circle"; and (b) you can't make someone who can't understand the secret (e.g., an infant) a Secret-Keeper.

Which to me is another example of "Rowling didn't say it could work like that, but she didn't say it couldn't..."

Re: The Fidelius Charm

Date: 2011-09-03 02:39 pm (UTC)
swissmarg: Mrs Hudson (Default)
From: [personal profile] swissmarg
(a) In canon, it was not the houses that were protected, but their location, i.e. information. The Fidelius keeps information secret, not an object hidden.

(b) I think that was ingenious, in the same way as Dumbledore hiding the Philosopher's Stone inside the mirror was ingenious. The cool thing is, Alexandra can't reveal any of the identities because she doesn't know them. The dangerous thing is, if she becomes aware of the identity of anyone in the Thorn Circle, she is the only one in the world who can share that information with anyone. Thus the constant check-ups by Diana Grimm.

I don't see any contradiction of canon.

Date: 2011-09-03 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tealterror0.livejournal.com
Yeah, a lot of those complaints are just different interpretations (or based on Rowling's interviews, in the case of Hermione supposedly changing house-elf rights, which seems absurdly unrealistic to me anyway as well as slightly offensive). And one of them I think is a straight misreading of the text.

As for AQ and the Fidelius Charm...while you might not have contradicted the letter of the text, I'd say you did contradict its spirit. I think it's implausible that you can have a secret sealed inside you when you don't even know what that secret is.

IMO, more important is the whole "if you die, the secret dies with you" thing. If it was really that easy to permanently hide something, every dark wizard with a wand and a brain would find some random Muggle, Fidelius them, then kill them. Hell, if Voldemort had done that for his Horcruxes, he would've won.

The Fidelius

Date: 2011-09-03 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mike merrill (from livejournal.com)
This may seem like a weird question but if all of the Thorn Circle was concealed wouldn't they forget they were members of the circle?
I mean in HP Bellatrix and Narcissa forget about Grimmauld place when the charm is performed so wouldn't members of the circle forget that that fact once it was concealed. I love the series and am not trying to nitpick it was just a random thought that passed through my head if this was covered somewhere I am sorry.

Re: The Fidelius

Date: 2011-09-03 04:26 pm (UTC)
ext_402500: (Default)
From: [identity profile] inverarity.livejournal.com
I am not sure. Did Bellatrix and Narcissa forget that Grimmauld Place existed? I don't remember that.

I had Ben Journey remembering that he is a member of the Circle, but unable to tell anyone else until Alexandra identified him.

Re: The Fidelius

Date: 2011-09-03 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mike merrill (from livejournal.com)
I guess that makes sense, as far as I can tell those who did not know the secret lost all knowledge pertaining to it so much so that the rest of the residents on Grimmauld place assumed there had never been a number 12. seem to make sense that the Black sisters would possibly remember going to Aunt Walburga's but not anything about where the house was or what was inside. Again your way makes sense "I was a member of the Thorn circle but cant tell anyone or recognise my fellow members."

Re: The Fidelius

Date: 2011-09-06 01:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It was my impression that Bella knew about number 12 she just could not find it because it was unplottable. She would have remembered it because, where would Kreacher have come from?

Date: 2011-09-05 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rheymus.livejournal.com
Fidelius: the Book 5 rules make sense, bk7 rules make no sense. AQ rules make sense and therefore they contradict bk7 canon.

When is AQ set? If Alex was born in 1996, when the old rule applied, you are compliant. Otherwise, you will have to add a chapter to the back-story where the American Wizarding Congress was so busy with Thorn's attrocities, that the rule change was held up in comite.

Interviewistas will continue to hate HhD whatever you do. "Dumbledore made the rule change, therefore it applies to the whole World and Space and time." In vain you will plead "Thorn used a dark forbidden version of the Fidelius from ancient times."


Of course the practical problem with castig that spell is it stops Abe recruiting new members and sics him with an "Only two sith" rule from Star Wars prequel.

I transferred the natter to the discussion page for now; it might belong on the YMMV page.

Date: 2011-09-05 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rheymus.livejournal.com
I could not see an EDIT box to c, so I will hae to add a whole new post:lick

Or set it in the present: the British Ministry has unearthed Dumbledore's last testament which demands that America adopt the new wand rules. It is held up in comite because eertone is too busy with Thorn's attrocities. Chang talks with another Senator and mentions LAST Time.

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